Glow plug condition

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Bigbird, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    I have just changed my glow plugs, first time in 56k AFAIK. This has solved
    my starting problem.

    The condition of the plugs interestrs me in that 3 of them were covered in
    soot but one was clean. Is this indicative of anything?
     
    Bigbird, Mar 15, 2006
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  2. Bigbird

    Phil Cook Guest

    Probably that three of them were kaput. You could test this hypothesis
    with a multimeter (or bulb and battery) and see if there is any
    correlation between kaput and sooty.
     
    Phil Cook, Mar 15, 2006
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  3. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    Why probably? Experience or guessing?

    From what I can tell from the picture in my Haynes a certain amount of
    carbon on the plug is normal.
    I have no inlcination to do so. That at least one of the plugs is faulty or
    at least not been functioing correctly is not beyond doubt given the problem
    and its cure.

    My question is really aimed at those with experince in case the difference
    in condition is indicative of any underlying cause other than simply plug
    failure.

    A supplementary or alternative question of interest for same is whether a
    poorly performing plug may be the cause of a smokey start up.
    I have had a certain amount of smoke on initial startup for around three
    years. Car is only used about twice a week. Smoke would appear worse when
    cold weather. I didn't happen to notice any such smoke ths morning but then
    it is a warmer day also.
     
    Bigbird, Mar 15, 2006
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  4. Bigbird

    Malc Guest

    But if you did the test then you would have experience and could relay it to
    the rest of us.
     
    Malc, Mar 15, 2006
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  5. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    Well it would not give me the answers I am after. What do you think it would
    tell you that would be useful. You send me the euipment and I'll do the
    test. ok. ;)
     
    Bigbird, Mar 15, 2006
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  6. Bigbird

    martin.taz Guest

    Simple to test.
    Just use a piece of wire to the top bit (where the feed wire goes)
    attatch it to the pos terminal on a battery, then touch the threaded
    bit of the glow plug on the neg terminal. if it dont work nuffin will
    happen, if it does work you will see the little bugger glow up red.

    Then put it somewhere safe to cool down.

    Regards
    Slim.
     
    martin.taz, Mar 15, 2006
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  7. Bigbird

    Phil Cook Guest

    Well, a while ago when my Renault 18 needed new plugs I remember them
    being a mix of sooty and clean but I can't remember for certain the
    correrlation between kaput and sooty. I do know that it was only
    firing on one cylinder as it started and producing clouds of white
    smoke until the others got up to temperature.
     
    Phil Cook, Mar 16, 2006
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  8. Bigbird

    Mindwipe Guest


    as a rule if the plug is sooty is isnt working
    however if you are in doubt connect it to a live and earth and watch the end
    (care is needed cos it gets very hot ) use jump leads
     
    Mindwipe, Mar 16, 2006
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  9. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    So it's possible that a single glow plug was starting my engine - with
    difficulty?

    Following that line of thought would two be enough to start the engine
    normally i.e. without any difficulty, except possibly in the very cold, but
    with a bit of smoke initially?

    I have had a bit of smoke but no real starting problems, until recently, for
    several years.
     
    Bigbird, Mar 16, 2006
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  10. Bigbird

    Brian Guest

    So it's possible that a single glow plug was starting my engine - with
    It is more than likely that you have had one or more glow plugs faulty for
    some time, as this would cause some smoke when initially starting.
    Your problems came when another also died, leaving it just starting on one,
    which would be difficult in cold weather. You answered your own question
    really when you say that now you have replaced them all it starts better
    with little or no smoke.
     
    Brian, Mar 16, 2006
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  11. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    More likely than what? Do you simply mean Yes and Yes in answer to my
    questions?
     
    Bigbird, Mar 17, 2006
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  12. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    (hit send prematurely)

    So in other words you think it is unlikely that I have some other problem to
    worry about?

    I wish someone had suggested the possibility of a faulty glow plug when I
    asked about the smoke a couple of years ago. The number of times I have
    uneccesarily gassed passersby.

    Damn, I just checked and someone did suggest glow plugs but related it to
    spluttering starts and, as I have said, there were no such starting
    problems. Oh well.
     
    Bigbird, Mar 17, 2006
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  13. Bigbird

    blaildyors Guest

    That's what I found when I changed mine:

    http://tinyurl.com/hxtph
     
    blaildyors, Mar 17, 2006
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  14. Bigbird

    Bigbird Guest

    I find it surprising that this is not more commonly known or mentioned. I am
    sure I am not the only one with a smokey start up who thought and was told
    that it was probably the sign of a more serious engine problem. How many
    diesels belch fumes over their neighbours quite unneccesarily.
     
    Bigbird, Mar 17, 2006
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  15. Bigbird

    daddyfreddy Guest

    You will get a certain amount of smoke when starting up anyway. I find
    if the car is starting on 3 glowplugs or less it's normally evident
    from the engine note as the cold cylinder bursts into life a second or
    two later.

    On my Renault van the engine was so badly maintained that the glow
    plugs had actually crumbled into the engine and all that was left was a
    bit of carbon!
     
    daddyfreddy, Mar 18, 2006
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