406 spare key. Does anyone really understand them?

Discussion in 'Peugeot 406' started by Cire, Jan 13, 2007.

  1. Cire

    Cire Guest

    I need another (third) spare 406 key, which I shall buy on eBay, and have
    spent hours reading previous postings on this group about keys but still I
    don't understand how to buy the correct one. Although it would be useful to
    have another remote key I would be happy to settle for one that is not a
    remote, it is only for back-up use. Does that make it easier to buy
    correctly?

    I have just bought a blank blade and that appears to be OK but the fob that
    I purchased from someone else turns out to be the wrong kind. Like my
    present key, it's the correct shape and has two similar buttons and no led,
    but the blade is only 2mm thick when it should be 3mm. (I didn't know they
    varied!)

    Even the two key fobs supplied by the dealer for my 2001 reg 406 are quite
    different shapes. One is fairly square in shape the other has a sloping top
    but perhaps that is because only one is a remote.

    These are some of the points I don't understand the relevance of, when
    deciding what to buy:

    Some blades are retained by a small screw, some are not. Does that matter?

    I believe that infra-red has a led whilst radio frequency ones do not. Is
    that correct in every case?

    The 'spare' key supplied by my car dealer has no buttons and doesn't appear
    to have access to a battery. Does this mean it doesn't have a transponder?
    www.peugeotdeisel.com states that without a transponder the car will not
    start. Mine starts OK. Can someone please explain that?

    Are there any other hazards that I need to be aware of?

    I realised this was going to be a minefield but I seem to be getting more
    confused the further I get into it!

    Can anyone please help?
     
    Cire, Jan 13, 2007
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  2. Cire

    Bob C Guest

    My 1997 406 2 l will open using the spare key, however this model if fitted
    with an IR transmitter rather than FM.
     
    Bob C, Jan 14, 2007
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  3. Cire

    daddyfreddy Guest

    Hi Cire,
    The info on that website is correct. Transponder chips do not require
    battery power to work. In your solid key it will have a transponder
    chip buried within the plastic. In the remote keys you will see the
    small transponder chip normally sited in a closure near the key blade.
    These transponder chips are energised by the hardware in your ignition
    barrel when you place the key in.

    Regards the type of key, there are numerous out there for the various
    Peugeot models. You just have to ensure you get one that is
    specifically for the 406.
     
    daddyfreddy, Jan 14, 2007
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  4. Hi Cire,

    The above is correct but the ECU will have to be programmed for the new key
    because it will not recognise the transponder code in the key and will refuse
    to start. The cost at a Pug stealership will be approx £70 to do this. I am
    not 100% sure but I understand that the ECU can only handle 2 key transponder
    codes anyway. Hope this helps.

    DaveG
     
    Dave G via CarKB.com, Jan 14, 2007
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  5. Cire

    daddyfreddy Guest

    Yes, I forgot to mention the programming of the transponder but it is
    the transponder chip that is programmed, not the ECU.
    Only time the ECU has to be reprogrammed is if all keys and the
    security card were lost.
     
    daddyfreddy, Jan 14, 2007
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  6. Cire

    Cire Guest

    Thanks for some interesting points, folks, but I still have more questions
    than answers!
    I don't quite understand how one ensures this when most keys I see
    advertised say 'for 206, 306, 406' or 'may fit other Peugeots'.


    Yes, I forgot to mention the programming of the transponder but it is
    the transponder chip that is programmed, not the ECU.
    Only time the ECU has to be reprogrammed is if all keys and the
    security card were lost.
     
    Cire, Jan 14, 2007
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  7. Hi Cire,

    The chances are that these keys will not work as it is very unlikely that the
    transponder code will be the same as one of your original keys. I am not
    saying that daddyfreddie is wrong but I was informed by local stealership
    that a code can not be programmed into the transponder, it is the ECU that
    needs to be programmed to match the key but they could be wrong !

    Regards Dave G
     
    Dave G via CarKB.com, Jan 15, 2007
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  8. Cire

    Cire Guest

    Hi Dave.

    It is all beginning to look as I suspected - Peugeot have us by the short
    and curlies !

    Thanks. Eric


     
    Cire, Jan 15, 2007
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