406 Pulley breaking up in timing cover.

Discussion in 'Peugeot 406' started by djimbo, Dec 8, 2005.

  1. djimbo

    djimbo Guest

    I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about
    one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said it
    was common.
    Has anyone on here experienced such a problem??? It was a new one on me!
    Not sure which one, I was assuming it was the crankshaft pulley.


    Djimbo
     
    djimbo, Dec 8, 2005
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    Chris Guest

    NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE,THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IS SOME ONE HAS
    BEEN HITTING IT BEFORE WITH A HEAVY HAMMER,
     
    Chris, Dec 8, 2005
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    Neil D Guest

    I had a pulley break up on my 2.1td 406. I was lucky in that when I started
    driving the car one morning, the power steering seemed very heavy. I drove
    straight to my local garage, when we looked under the bonnet, there was
    smoke coming from the timing belt area. It was the timing belt burning away,
    so I was lucky not to have driven far.

    Cheers
    Neil D
     
    Neil D, Dec 8, 2005
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  4. Hi on h.d.i's this is EXTREMELY COMMON due to the double damping part of the
    pulley breaking up.But on a 1.9 engine never heard of it as its a solid
    pulley with a rubber damper in-built.personally i thinks its the 2.0 hdi you
    are refering to ..all the best mark.
     
    MARK B peugeot m.t. via CarKB.com, Dec 8, 2005
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  5. djimbo

    djimbo Guest

    Cheers Mark. That sounds like the problem,
    I'm feeling a bit of a burk now, it was the HDi engine we were discussing,
    which of course isn't 1900 anymore doh!

    What are the symptoms from a drivers point of view when they start to go,
    and is it an expensive job?

    rgds.
    djimbo.
     
    djimbo, Dec 11, 2005
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    nigel Guest

    I have just changed one on a mates 406HDI. Rattling noise around
    1800RPM going up the range and especially coming down. Can be heard on
    idle when cold, especially when the air/con compressor is on. When you
    look down on the pulley you can see shiny bits around the mounting
    bolt, and lots of meatl filings all around. New one costs £145 ish
    from Peugeot 0r £120 ish from Citroen!! Same part, same box, same part
    number.
     
    nigel, Dec 11, 2005
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  7. djimbo

    djimbo Guest

    Thanks for the info Nigel.
    I didn't tell the whole story.
    I took the car in for a partial exhaust change (The big expensive bit)
    When it came back it had symptoms identical to those described here.
    (even down to rattling when the A/C is switched on)
    which I thought may just be a heat shield bolting problem or something
    relating to the exhaust..
    It was running smooth as a nut when it went in.

    Worryingly on taking it back to find nothing obviously amiss with the
    exhaust
    I had the discussion with the garage owner about
    pulley problems, he claimed he'd fitted three in the last month.
    No-one would swap an old one onto a motor just to screw a couple of hundred
    for re-fitting
    the origional surely?
    Would it be likely to be provable one way or the other?

    djimbo
     
    djimbo, Dec 11, 2005
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    Malc Guest

    Surely it would take a bit of time and effort to fit an old one to an
    engine? At least as much in terms of labour as fitting a new one so
    therefore probably not worth doing. I would be very much inclined to suspect
    the exhaust system first. Can you get a second opinion/independent analysis
    from another garage?
     
    Malc, Dec 11, 2005
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  9. djimbo

    djimbo Guest

    I sincerely hope you're right Malc, I'm just a suspicious old Hector.
    Particularly when the symptoms only just started and exactly matched a
    problem the garage owner felt the urge to fill me in on in great detail.
    Also to assure me that it wasn't uncommon at that milleage and find no
    apparant problem with what should have been a fairly simple exhaust change.

    I do have it booked in in Jan to a specialist garage I know, a little
    further from home.
    It's even possible they checked/changed this pulley when they did the
    cambelt less than 10K back.
    Fingers crossed.

    Djimbo
     
    djimbo, Dec 12, 2005
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    Malc Guest

    I hope I'm right too. <makes usual disclaimer.> Though it does seem a bit
    suspicious, I still think it would cost as much to do the bodge as to do the
    proper repair so I can't see what they would gain, apart from a bit of
    profit on the new pulley. Unless they took the rocker cover off, mangled
    the pulley and replaced the cover. Can you see any screws that look as
    though they may have been removed?
     
    Malc, Dec 12, 2005
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    nigel Guest

    I hope not! That would be one sad garage. I suppose it's possible, it
    would only take 1/2 an hour to do. Unfortunately, not provable really.
    They do go with depressing regularity. You might just have to bite the
    bullet with this one!!
     
    nigel, Dec 12, 2005
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    nigel Guest

    I will say that if you are going to wait till Jan to get it fixed to
    use it as little as possibe. If it oes actually break up, then you run
    the risk of the auxilliary belt going inside the cambelt cover and the
    cambelt jumping teeth. That could well end up with major engine
    damage!!
    Just to add. My mates car didn't suddenly get very noisy. It built up
    in volume over two months.
    And toward the end it was obvious it wasn't the exhaust just by
    sticking your head down by the cambelt cover!!!
     
    nigel, Dec 12, 2005
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  13. djimbo

    djimbo Guest

    Thanks for the advice nigel & Malc.
    I'll get back with the answers after xmas ;-)
    If my worst fears are correct,
    I hope this one has a couple of months left in it.

    Djimbo.
     
    djimbo, Dec 15, 2005
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