307 fire hazzards shown of BBC

[whoosh]

The fire hazards of the 307 bursting into flame due to faulty ignition switches, was screened tonight by BBC Watchdog prog. The duff switch leaves itself in the ignition position, thereby causing the starter motor to run constantly. Result - FIRE. Plus that luvly plastic bonnet melts all over the engine. Write Off. Resale value - nnnnnnnnnoooooo. Resale value of an unaffected Pug 307 - Minus £3000 because general public only remember That's the car that goes up in flames...

WOOOSH

 

[Carl Gibbs]

The fire hazards of the 307 bursting into flame due to faulty ignition

switches, was screened tonight by BBC Watchdog prog.
The duff switch leaves itself in the ignition position, thereby causing the starter motor to run constantly. Result - FIRE. Plus that luvly plastic bonnet melts all over the engine. Write Off. Resale value - nnnnnnnnnoooooo. Resale value of an unaffected Pug 307 - Minus £3000 because general public only remember That's the car that goes up in flames...

If you heard the starter motor turning constantly wouldnt you just switch the ignition off though and get it fixed? Or am i missing something?

 

[Carl Gibbs]

maybe you arent. The many who were driving didnt especially the cop who was in the outside lane of a motorway at 70 when it burst into flames didnt hear it,

didnt see the programme, but surely if it 'leaves itself in the ignition position', then its gonna to be quite obvious that the starter is still turning. even if your a complete nonce and only think 'what a strange noise' and pull over!

 

[Mindwipe (6)]

sticks on you'd need to disconnect battery

didnt see the programme, but surely if it 'leaves itself in the ignition position', then its gonna to be quite obvious that the starter is still turning. even if your a complete nonce and only think 'what a strange noise' and pull over!

 

[Mr.Nice.]

Twas Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:38:59 +0100 when "Carl Gibbs"

If you heard the starter motor turning constantly wouldnt you just switch the ignition off though and get it fixed? Or am i missing something?

Not sure I'd hear the starter moror turning over the noise of the engine, I've bench tested starter motors befoore and they are not very noisy compared to an engine.

 

[whoosh]

Not sure I'd hear the starter moror turning over the noise of the engine, I've bench tested starter motors befoore and they are not very noisy compared to an engine.

Even Pug didn't try to reject claims for New Cars under that twaddle. Engine noise, road noise, tyre noise, kids, radio, etc., Yep I sure listen to my starter motor.

Whoosh

 

[djimbo]

Twas Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:38:59 +0100 when "Carl Gibbs"

Not sure I'd hear the starter moror turning over the noise of the engine, I've bench tested starter motors befoore and they are not very noisy compared to an engine.

MMmm I don't think its the noise of the motor you'd notice, but surely you'd hear all the din when the bendix gear engaged with the flywheel. Anyone whoes ever tried starting a motor when its already running (ahem!) will know its not a quiet business.

jim

 

[whoosh]

MMmm I don't think its the noise of the motor you'd notice, but surely you'd hear all the din when the bendix gear engaged with the flywheel. Anyone whoes ever tried starting a motor when its already running (ahem!) will know its not a quiet business.

jim

Surely the point is, those who have already fallen victims of this PUG Know Problem, had their lives threatened, and the other road users around them, and their cars destroyed, let alone the mental health issues of being in a speeding car that catches fire. If it were not for the BBC program yesterday evening, I would not be any the wiser either. May be I should have done like PUG and kept the news to myself.

Whoosh

 

[G.T]

Hello,

If it were not for the BBC program yesterday evening, I would not be any the wiser either. May be I should have done like PUG and kept the news to myself.

Sure, you're not. The faulty switch has caused a recall notification at least one year ago !

Regards,
G.T

205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

 

[G.T]

Hello,

or an idiot at least. I will go back into my shell now and worry about whether I will be able to sell the car without a bigger depreciation.

I'd bet you won't.

public got it into there heads that "you don't want to buy one of those cars, blah, blah, blah" The fact that the manufacturer did eventually weed out and fix the dodgy ones did nothing to put public opinion back on track and owners lost loadsa money when changing cars.

Yes, but we are responsible people, we all know there may be a problem. The fact is, Peugeot made a wide communication about it, proving they know, they care and they cure (2-hours job). Having a look to sales will show it's all right for them, having proven in the past that a known problem was often cured.

Sure your 307 won't suffer of any depreciation, once fixed. Just show the receipt, if the buyer wants to show it.

 

[Rich (7)]

Plastic bonnet? Cars are shit these days.

wrote:

The fire hazards of the 307 bursting into flame due to faulty ignition switches, was screened tonight by BBC Watchdog prog. The duff switch leaves itself in the ignition position, thereby causing

the

starter motor to run constantly. Result - FIRE. Plus that luvly plastic bonnet melts all over the engine. Write Off. Resale value - nnnnnnnnnoooooo. Resale value of an unaffected Pug 307 - Minus 3000 because general public only remember That's the car that goes up in flames...

WOOOSH

 

[djimbo]

Hello,

Sure, you're not. The faulty switch has caused a recall notification at least one year ago !

Ah GT glad you put in an appearance.
I missed the BBC show.
If you know, perhaps you could explain what this faulty switch is doing to the starter? Is it just the spring failing in the switch causing the possibility of it drifting from ON to START while the engines is going? or is it the contacts for start 'freezing' in leaving the starter connected from startup. (or what??) There's a lot of emotive rhetoric flying around, but not much information.

jim

 

[G.T]

Hello,

Plastic bonnet? Cars are shit these days.

Damn, when I visited the Sochaux plant, the guide told us the bonnet was made of aluminium.

 

[G.T]

Hello Jim,

Ah GT glad you put in an appearance.

Well, like a dark knight, I have to come to tell some kind of truth And the title told me "oh, there's gonna be some bullshit down here"

I missed the BBC show.

Of course, I did too.

If you know, perhaps you could explain what this faulty switch is doing to the starter? Is it just the spring failing in the switch causing the possibility of it drifting from ON to START while the engines is going? or is it the contacts for start 'freezing' in leaving the starter

connected

from startup.
(or what??)

It has already been discussed here. AFAIK, the barrel locks itself in the D position (starter), it runs and runs and runs. It was the object of a recall last year. Some were locked on the D position, some others were blocked on the S (stop) position, and nothing to do. This happened to my boss, which has one of the very first 307s - locked on S. It was because of a problem with the locks' manufacturing process (and my english doesn't allow me to explain that).

There's a lot of emotive rhetoric flying around, but not much information.

Oh, the BBC looks like the french TV channels, so. More emotion, less information. BTW, I've seen the case on an old (10+ yrs) BX, the driver had to do a 20 miles trip like that, then had to replace lock & starter, but he didn't shot Citron in flame.

Regards,
G.T

205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

 

[whoosh]

Yes, but we are responsible people, we all know there may be a problem. The fact is, Peugeot made a wide communication about it, proving they know, they care and they cure (2-hours job). Having a look to sales will show it's all right for them, having proven in the past that a known problem was often cured.

Sure your 307 won't suffer of any depreciation, once fixed. Just show the receipt, if the buyer wants to show it.

I do appreciate what you are saying GT, but my concern is that Joe Public will not even bother to read my ad for 307, because "in his mind he only remembers some bad news". Unfortunately This Is the Way the of the Myth. So he is not going to turn up and see a great car, fixed and paperwork complete, full history, loving owner, etc., he is just going to look for a different Marque. Leaving only "educated few" and existing Peugeot owners as potential buyers.

Whoosh
[ the sound my 307 makes when going past the lesser hatches]

 

[Nigel (archive)]

Hello,

Damn, when I visited the Sochaux plant, the guide told us the bonnet was made of aluminium.

AFAIK it is made of aluminium. And it was mentioned as such on Watchdog.

 

[whoosh]

AFAIK it is made of aluminium. And it was mentioned as such on Watchdog.

Would it be possible for that to melt under the heat of the engine bay fire? There was definitely something that had melted and draped all over the engine. Could it be some sort of lining from the underside of the bonnet?

W

 

[John J. Burness]

Aluminium melts very easily in a fire!!

HTH

Regards,
John

wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:30:28 +0100, Nigel , wrote:

>AFAIK it is made of aluminium. And it was mentioned as such on
>Watchdog.
Would it be possible for that to melt under the heat of the engine bay fire? There was definitely something that had melted and draped all over the engine. Could it be some sort of lining from the underside of the bonnet?

W

 

[G.T]

Hello,

Aluminium melts very easily in a fire!!

I was about to answer that. My brother (yes, the one with the DTurbo) was on a training at an Audi main dealer when an A8 was stolen. It has been fired by the thugs, and nothing remained of the car when it came back to workshop... Wheels out, roof lowered at the dashboard's level... (the A8 is fully made of alu).

 

[SimonDS]

aluminium melts at 660.32c or 1229.58f which is hotter than most 'open fires' can produce. Your average gas oven can only make 250c. Central heating boiler makes 400c in the flue (expelled gases).

Aluminium melts very easily in a fire!!

HTH

Regards,
John