307 fire hazzards shown of BBC

Discussion in 'Peugeot 307' started by whoosh, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. whoosh

    whoosh Guest

    The fire hazards of the 307 bursting into flame due to faulty ignition
    switches, was screened tonight by BBC Watchdog prog.
    The duff switch leaves itself in the ignition position, thereby causing the
    starter motor to run constantly. Result - FIRE. Plus that luvly plastic
    bonnet melts all over the engine. Write Off.
    Resale value - nnnnnnnnnoooooo.
    Resale value of an unaffected Pug 307 - Minus £3000 because general public
    only remember That's the car that goes up in flames...

    whoosh, Sep 2, 2003
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    Carl Gibbs Guest

    The fire hazards of the 307 bursting into flame due to faulty ignition
    If you heard the starter motor turning constantly wouldnt you just switch
    the ignition off though and get it fixed? Or am i missing something?
    Carl Gibbs, Sep 2, 2003
  3. whoosh

    Carl Gibbs Guest

    didnt see the programme, but surely if it 'leaves itself in the ignition
    position', then its gonna to be quite obvious that the starter is still
    turning. even if your a complete nonce and only think 'what a strange
    noise' and pull over!
    Carl Gibbs, Sep 2, 2003
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    Mindwipe Guest

    sticks on you'd need to disconnect battery
    Mindwipe, Sep 2, 2003
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    Mr.Nice. Guest

    Twas Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:38:59 +0100 when "Carl Gibbs"
    Not sure I'd hear the starter moror turning over the noise of the
    engine, I've bench tested starter motors befoore and they are not very
    noisy compared to an engine.

    Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
    "To know the character of a man, give him anonymity" - Mr.Nice.
    http://www.mr-nice.rulestheweb.com mr.niceATsofthome.net
    Mr.Nice., Sep 3, 2003
  6. whoosh

    Whoosh Guest

    Even Pug didn't try to reject claims for New Cars under that twaddle.
    Engine noise, road noise, tyre noise, kids, radio, etc., Yep I sure listen
    to my starter motor.

    Whoosh, Sep 3, 2003
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    djimbo Guest

    MMmm I don't think its the noise of the motor you'd notice, but surely you'd
    hear all the din when the bendix gear engaged with the flywheel. Anyone
    whoes ever tried starting a motor when its already running (ahem!) will know
    its not a quiet business.

    djimbo, Sep 3, 2003
  8. whoosh

    whoosh Guest

    Surely the point is, those who have already fallen victims of this PUG Know
    Problem, had their lives threatened, and the other road users around them,
    and their cars destroyed, let alone the mental health issues of being in a
    speeding car that catches fire.
    If it were not for the BBC program yesterday evening, I would not be any
    the wiser either. May be I should have done like PUG and kept the news to

    whoosh, Sep 3, 2003
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    G.T Guest

    I'd bet you won't.
    Yes, but we are responsible people, we all know there may be a problem. The
    fact is, Peugeot made a wide communication about it, proving they know, they
    care and they cure (2-hours job). Having a look to sales will show it's all
    right for them, having proven in the past that a known problem was often

    Sure your 307 won't suffer of any depreciation, once fixed. Just show the
    receipt, if the buyer wants to show it.
    G.T, Sep 3, 2003
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    djimbo Guest

    Ah GT glad you put in an appearance.
    I missed the BBC show.
    If you know, perhaps you could explain what this faulty switch is doing to
    the starter?
    Is it just the spring failing in the switch causing the possibility of it
    drifting from ON to START while the engines is going?
    or is it the contacts for start 'freezing' in leaving the starter connected
    from startup.
    (or what??)
    There's a lot of emotive rhetoric flying around, but not much information.

    djimbo, Sep 4, 2003
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    G.T Guest

    Damn, when I visited the Sochaux plant, the guide told us the bonnet was
    made of aluminium.
    G.T, Sep 4, 2003
  12. whoosh

    whoosh Guest

    I do appreciate what you are saying GT, but my concern is that Joe Public
    will not even bother to read my ad for 307, because "in his mind he only
    remembers some bad news". Unfortunately This Is the Way the of the Myth.
    So he is not going to turn up and see a great car, fixed and paperwork
    complete, full history, loving owner, etc., he is just going to look for a
    different Marque. Leaving only "educated few" and existing Peugeot
    owners as potential buyers.

    [ the sound my 307 makes when going past the lesser hatches]
    whoosh, Sep 4, 2003
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    Nigel Guest

    AFAIK it is made of aluminium. And it was mentioned as such on
    Nigel, Sep 4, 2003
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    whoosh Guest

    Would it be possible for that to melt under the heat of the engine bay
    fire? There was definitely something that had melted and draped all over
    the engine. Could it be some sort of lining from the underside of the

    whoosh, Sep 4, 2003
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    G.T Guest

    I was about to answer that. My brother (yes, the one with the DTurbo) was on
    a training at an Audi main dealer when an A8 was stolen. It has been fired
    by the thugs, and nothing remained of the car when it came back to
    workshop... Wheels out, roof lowered at the dashboard's level... (the A8 is
    fully made of alu).
    G.T, Sep 4, 2003
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    SimonDS Guest

    aluminium melts at 660.32c or 1229.58f which is hotter than most 'open
    fires' can produce. Your average gas oven can only make 250c. Central
    heating boiler makes 400c in the flue (expelled gases).

    SimonDS, Sep 4, 2003
  17. Many years ago, when we didn't have electric kettles, I was always putting
    our Aluminium Kettle onto the Gas Stove & then forgetting about it. When I
    used to come back the kitchen was full of a bluish smoke & molten Aluminium
    used to be running around on the top of the cooker (with very large holes in
    the bottom of the kettle!!

    I would suugest that direct flames, produced by Electric/Petrol fires can
    exceed your figures.


    John J. Burness, Sep 4, 2003
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    whoosh Guest

    So in other words we would be just as well of with a plastic bonnet anyway
    <g> Cheaper to replace, more people friendly in collisions, and less energy
    to produce it, and it would melt a bit quicker and hopefully give vital
    secs more notice to stop. <g>

    [ the sound my 307 makes when going past the lesser hatches]
    whoosh, Sep 5, 2003
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    SimonDS Guest

    looked into it a bit further.
    iron melts at 1500c
    steel around 1500c also
    aluminium 660c BUT lower grades as low as 520c.
    Obviously it will begin to 'sag' below this temp and the confined space of a
    engine bay must create a furnace effect and produce high enough temps to
    melt the bonnet.
    Bottom line is i may be wrong (not often someone on this NG says that!)

    SimonDS, Sep 5, 2003
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    Nick Shreeve Guest

    AFAIK the wings are made from plastic. I was chatting to a colleague the
    other day whilst standing next to his 307 and leant back against the wing
    and the bloody thing caved in under my weight. it popped back into shape ok

    Nick Shreeve, Sep 5, 2003
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