306 turbo diesel starting problem

Discussion in 'Peugeot 306' started by James T, Oct 9, 2004.

  1. James T

    James T Guest

    I have a 1995 306 turbo diesel. Whenever I start it (when it is hot or cold)
    it always idles rough for between 5 to 30 seconds (unless I rev it) then
    smooths out at which point a load of smoke is emitted. I have checked the
    glow plugs and all seem to be fine. Is there anything else that could cause
    this? Any help would be appreciated.
     
    James T, Oct 9, 2004
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  2. James T

    Nigel Guest

    Air in the fuel?
     
    Nigel, Oct 9, 2004
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  3. James T

    jim. Guest

    I don't want to seem to pour scorn on your diagnostic prowes,
    but checking glowplugs isn't the simplest of matters.
    The only sure way is to replace them (imho).
    They can go open circuit, dead short or more usualy partialy short circuit
    and the fact that when healthy they only measure about 0.4 OHM when cold
    doesn't make for an easy check.
    The nearest I've experienced to a decent check is putting them across a
    battery
    to see if they glow, although even this won't check what they do under
    pressure.
    Course it could also be air getting in ;-)

    Good name(!)

    jim.
     
    jim., Oct 10, 2004
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  4. James T

    h Guest

    Have exactly the same car, and the same problem. One cylinder seems to
    need some more time to start, and then the diesel in that cylinder
    comes out in a white cloud of smoke. On a visual check all my glow
    plugs seem to work fine. I know that one cylinder is lagging in
    compression (2.9 vs 3.2 bar). I suspect that there is a small leak in
    the head gasket. It is a bit strange but my car starts flawlessly only
    when it has not been used for 2 weeks. When I use it on a regular
    basis it helps when I start 10 seconds after the glow plug indicator
    light has switched off. This might indicate that the problem is a
    combination of a failing glow plug and the reduced compression.
    The car that has done 285.000 km without problems. My other car is a
    new Golf V, but I prefer to drive the Peugeot. So I might even spend
    the money to replace the headgasket and glowplugs.

    Hope this helps.
    Hans
    the Netherlads
     
    h, Oct 10, 2004
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    Mark Rae Guest

    Another thing to check is that they have been torqued up
    correctly, particularly on the No1 cylinder which is difficult
    to get to without dismantling everything. I found mine was
    "loose" and that the threads were blackened and oily, compared
    to the others which were clean. This might affect compression
    as mentioned elsewhere is this thread.
    Everyone has mentioned air, but in case you dont know how
    to check, replace the pipe going from the fuel filter to
    the pump with a clear one, if it hasn't already been done.
    It should be quite obvious if you have an air leak.

    If you get quite a lot of air pooling in the tube after leaving
    the car standing for a while, first check that the cap on the
    fuel filter, otherwise it could be the seals in the pump.

    -Mark
     
    Mark Rae, Oct 10, 2004
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  6. James T

    James T Guest

    Thanks Mark. I was going to post to ask how to check if there was air
    getting in. I will do this and see what happens.

    James.
     
    James T, Oct 10, 2004
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