106 Diesel Injection Pump Solenoid

Discussion in 'Peugeot 106' started by Jonny Symonds, Nov 10, 2003.

  1. Hi,I am currently trying to replace the TUD3 diesel engine in a 1993
    Peugeot 106 with a post-`98 TUD5 engine (to hopefully avoid the engine
    liner problems which ruined the TUD3!)The TUD3 has a Lucas injection
    pump, and the replacement a Bosch pump. Very little information is
    given in the Haynes manual about the Bosch type pump. The Lucas pump
    has a simple and obvious diesel stop solenoid with a single
    connection. The bosch pump has a wire disappearing inside the pump
    with three connections.I need to know if I can just connect the
    original solenoid connection to one of these wires, and if so which
    one. Given the phrase "anti-start" in the Haynes manual wiring diagram
    on post-`97 models I`m concerned that the injection pump might have
    some sort of internal electronic immobiliser which the car itself has
    no parts to operate. If so, any way I can overcome this problem?Any
    thoughts would be much appreciated,Yours,Jon
     
    Jonny Symonds, Nov 10, 2003
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  2. I have now solved this problem, and am posting the solution for
    posterity. This is given here on the grounds that the information is
    intended for legitimate use such as putting a newer engine in and old
    car as I am attempting.


    It seems that the injection pump does need a signal from an
    immobiliser. However, it is possible to remove the electronics from
    the pump, and underneath is an ordinary solenoid which can be actuated
    directly as before.


    You need to remove the metal cover under which the control wires
    disappear on the top / end of the pump furthest from the cambelt. You
    firstly need to remove the plate which mounts the back of the pump to
    the engine and supports the fast idle cable sleeve. The immobliser
    cover is slotted into this plate. Remove the mounting bolt from the
    engine and the two allen screws and one torx screw which hold the
    plate to the pump. There is however one fixing which cannot simply be
    removed. There are two of these fixings which have perfectly round
    heads and seem undoable. These heads are partly shielded by the
    immobiliser cover which we are ultimately trying to remove. So
    angle-grind the cover away from these fixings. The uppermost one
    (which was completely surrounded by part of the cover) can have its
    head cut off - it only holds the immobiliser cover on. The lower one
    (with the hook-like surround from the cover) must be undone as it may
    well hold part of the pump together, and must be replaced. It can be
    undone with a hammer and chisel. You can now pull the mounting plate
    clear (you do not need to remove the fast idle cable).


    There are two ordinary allen screws which can be removed from the
    immobiliser cover or be cut off. Now for the tricky part. If you look
    on the side of the cover facing the engine you'll see a raised part
    with a hole in it. Sprung into this hole is a slotted hollow tube.
    This pipe (deliberately) prevents the cover being removed as it
    catches on an adjustment screw on the main pump. Try and pull the tube
    out, but I failed to manage this as there is nothing to get hold of. I
    removed it by angle grinding along the top of the cover along the
    length of the tube (it is about 2 cm long) and prised it out that way,
    after closing the tube up with a chisel to release the tension.


    The the cover should slide off in the direction away from the cam
    belt. There is just one wire which leads to the solenoid underneath.


    It took me 4 hours in the end (and this was with the engine out).
    Congrats to Bosch for making a pretty damn tamper proof system!


    Thanks to Bosch and a friend at Peugeot for the tip-off that there was
    a solenoid under that cover. The method of removal is my own work!


    I am also pleased to say that the 1.5 engine seems to fit well in the
    old car.


    Jon Symonds
     
    Jonny Symonds, Dec 4, 2003
    #2
  3. Jonny Symonds

    pep Guest

    CAN YOU JUST CUT THE COVER WITHOUT UNDOING THE BOLTS AND THEN NOT REPLACE THE COVER? MY ENGINE IS STILL IN THE CAR..HOPE YOU CAN HELP.....PEP
     
    pep, Dec 5, 2003
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